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[edit] Dead-end Pages and Janitor questions

I figure you are probably still working on the other page/orphaned pages thing, but I had some questions: 1)First, the best I can figure is that Janitor looks for tracks that are referenced to an artist, but with no reference from the artist to the song, is that correct?
2)And if it is, are you at any point planning on changing that to include dead end songs? I worked on it some, and it is pretty automatic (add song header, maybe add lyric tags, and a song footer) and very time consuming. I just wanted to find out first from you if you will do that at some point, or if I should just work on it manually.
Kingnee1114lyrics 10:41, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

1) That is basically what it does, except it uses the list at Special:Lonelypages.

2) I haven't really looked into doing dead-end songs. I do have a script lying around that I used to try and get Dir En Grey fixed up, but it would need some work before it would be useful in general (just gave me a list of songs that cannot be reached from the artist page, but are redirected to, linked from orphans, etc.

By the way, thanks for all the help you have done so far. School work is somewhat bogging me down right now so I can't spend as much time working on this as I would like. But if you have any ideas to help the site get things in order, by all means let me know and I will do what I can.

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌) 11:38, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

About manually fixing dead end pages: I think I would be dead before I got to the B's on the list. There are simply too many. I also hesitate to suggest any quick and dirty method. I simply do not know programming enough to know what can and cannot be done, or how easy it would be. However, if there is a way for what ever code you use to recognize characters in a URL (mainly concerning the :'s and /'s), I may have an idea.

It is worth a shot, I think we would be able to figure something out (eventually at least).

Kingnee1114lyrics 20:12, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

[edit] A Bold Plan Hatches

I wonder: can Janitor be trained to recognize a colon, and separate something like Modest Mouse:Cowboy Dan and know that the song is by 'Modest Mouse', and named 'Cowboy Dan'? And if there is no colon in the string (i.e. Modest Mouse) and know to consider that something different? You could then at least categorize them a little more accurately. In the case of the name being a dead end page with no colon, that either means that it's a song that is not properly titled, or it's an artist page that is without any lyrics.
- Kingnee1114lyrics 16:47, 28 September 2007 (EDT)

This is referring to sorting out the Dead end pages, correct? If so, I have a script that was lying around from a previous batch edit that adds formatting to the song pages (header/footer, converts old style lyrics to new style lyrics tags, etc). I ran it on a few pages to work out some problems (see And Then I Turned Seven:The Jamestown Story, Agalloch:Kneel to the Cross (before it was redirected), and Akeboshi:No Wish). All that I would need to write is code to traverse the Dead end page list and I could let Janitor loose (to make another mess :P).

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌) 18:53, 28 September 2007 (EDT)

OK, that sounds good. I suppose, you are already up to your elbows in all of this formatting Janitor is doing. now...But hey, if it means progress? Maybe? Joking. Anyway, I'll let you alone about all this, I don't think you need me to tell you what to do (hell, you're the boss, here).

- Kingnee1114lyrics 19:15, 28 September 2007 (EDT)

Most of what is remaining with the orphan pages is manual clean-up that will be going on for probably the rest of the existence of this wiki, so holding something like this off will only slow things down.

I'm not really the boss around here (that's Sean) but even if I was, I still would want input from other people. It's not a good idea to work in a vacuum.

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌) 19:19, 28 September 2007 (EDT)

I Don't see anything wrong. I'll keep an eye on it's progress. Cheers.

- Kingnee1114lyrics 20:16, 28 September 2007 (EDT)

There is no lead < lyric > tag. I suppose Janitor wouldn't know where to add that?

- Kingnee1114lyrics 20:51, 28 September 2007 (EDT)

I'm going to just add it right after the song header when that is added to the page. Hopefully this is correct in most instances.

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌) 20:52, 28 September 2007 (EDT)

I am not sure which is more common, a song with lyric tags, but no header, or one with no formatting whatsoever. So this next batch could conceivably have < lyric >< lyric >?

- Kingnee1114lyrics 21:00, 28 September 2007 (EDT)

Well, I am specifically looking for that case and fixing it. The code is somewhat messy, but I don't really feel like cleaning it up now (or as the programmer says, refactor it). I think it is working in most cases now. I don't feel comfortable just letting it run by itself, so I will be watching it run for a while and patching up mistakes as I find them.

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌) 21:17, 28 September 2007 (EDT)

Well, that was an exciting little bit of fun. I'll continue to watch out for more dead ends run through your script, and fix any errors. What I'll do in the meantime is chew at Lonelypages and anything that couldn't be formatted anyway. Cheers again.

- Kingnee1114lyrics 01:37, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

[edit] A Strange Thing

Hey Teknomunk,
I have found a page: Seeds, where all the songs redirect to a (now defunct) website called islandseeds.org. I was not sure what this was, and as far as I can see the syntax for the labels should not do this. Would you mind taking a look at it? King_Nee1114lyrics 00:45, 19 October 2007 (EDT)

/Eavesdropping\ Anyway, so I noticed this question, and tried to investigate. I also found out that any pagename with the prefix "Seeds:" returns the "bad title" error message. Even trying to edit the page by typing in the address"http://www.lyricwiki.org/index.php?title=Seeds:Randompage&action=edit" gives the same error. This is very weird indeed. --WillMak050389 02:11, 19 October 2007 (EDT)

Well, I redirected Seeds to Seed, and put up a banner with an explanation.

The question remains, though. What uses Seeds:?

King_Nee1114lyrics 12:12, 19 October 2007 (EDT)

[edit] How to do links with unusal symbols?

I just ran into a problem that a link isn't correctly interpreted by the wiki software. Here I have the problem with a Song called 5+6=218 What should I do about this? --MetalSnake 06:16, 4 November 2007 (EST)

The MediaWiki software can't use + in a like title (messes with HTML or something, I don't really know the reason), but you will have to use a different pagename for the page (like Samsas Traum:5+6=218) and then add {{WrongTitle}} to the page. I know this isn't the best way to do it, but baring modification of the software, this is all that can be done.

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌) 10:41, 4 November 2007 (EST)

That would really suck. But then, why can Wikipedia use the + as title? like here Maybe you just need an update? --MetalSnake 10:44, 4 November 2007 (EST)

My guess is they use a more recent version of the MediaWiki software. I can't do anything about software except ask Sean about it, as I don't have server access. Sorry.

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌) 10:51, 4 November 2007 (EST)

[edit] Album Art Template Questions

What's the template for album art when there is higher resolution of the album or you just want to credit the source it came from?
Depswa 21:33, 8 November 2007 (EST)

Perhaps this is what you want: {{Albumcover/Upload}}

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌) 17:50, 12 November 2007 (EST)

[edit] Janitor's Mistake

Hey Munk, Janitor screwed with my page on Sting pretty good just now. It added a couple of orphaned songs, but hack up the Artist template, removed the hometown template and took odd all the album art I added. I fixed it and added the orphaned songs by hand, so it wouldn't screw with it again, but why did it do that? Can you fix it? -- Åqúàŧĩkī - É - Ŧ 05:12, 12 Novem

I have no idea what happened here, Janitor shouldn't even touch the AlbumArt templates, but it looks like he did, very strange... If it happens again, please let me know.

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌) 17:50, 12 November 2007 (EST)

Alrght Munk, Janitor added four orphaned songs to The others section of the Canibus page. They are all duplicates although they have slightly incorrect song titles. So they all need to be deleted as requested, thanks E

[edit] Mass move of songs?

Hey, could you check Mediæval_Bæbes please? All those songs are linked to Mediaeval Baebes:SongName, now Janitor added some orphaned songs to it which are doubles. Could you run a tool over it or something to fix that? --MetalSnake 03:49, 17 November 2007 (EST)

[edit] Note to Self

[edit] Email Confirmation Failure

Gives the following error:

Invalid confirmation code. The code may have expired.

To notify:

• User_talk:Shaudius

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌) 12:16, 17 November 2007 (EST)

[edit] Satarial

Could you check Satarial please? Janitor added some songs to it, but no symbol seems to be correct at the names and lyrics. --MetalSnake 12:58, 21 November 2007 (EST)

[edit] Janitor

Is it possible for your bot to avoid adding certain songs that are orphaned? Nokturnal Mortum has a song that was incorrectly coded and is therefore unlinkable, but because it shows up on the orphaned list, Janitor adds it to their page every time it does a pass. The song is Nokturnal Mortum:Путь Бе�?�?мертных. --WillMak050389 10:27, 24 November 2007 (EST)

[edit] Gammadomi: I am sorry

Hi. This is Gammadomi, the one you send a message about not to do vandalism and that wrote you bad things in your page, and i want to apologise because i didn't wrote that in your page, was my older brother because he wanted a revenge for something i made to him, i know that he was because he told me. So i am really sorry. Let me apologise again, and please sorry. Gammadomi.  : )

Replied on User talk:Gammadomi

[edit] 'Caps All The Way?' vs. 'Caps all the Way?'

(Hmm, possibly this topic is somewhere already, but I'm feeling a bit too tired to look around =_=).
RE: M-flo:Listen to Your Heart.

I noticed the page redirects to M-flo:Listen To Your Heart, but the correct title m-flo uses is M-flo:Listen to Your Heart (Yep, I'm a few centimetres from the official booklet provided with the CD).
I was under the impression Caps applied to the start of the artist and title, e.g. M-flo:GET oN! vs. m-flo:gET oN!, and the rest were left as it is - or do I stand corrected? (Universal Format is my goal.)

Thanks in advance.
--BryghtShadow 07:46, 4 December 2007 (EST)

Mind if I butt in, Technomunk?  :-)

BryghtShadow, you might want to take a look at a similar situation with k.d. lang and associated articles like this song. The same rules apply here, and we gave the artist name a capital letter for each "word" in the name. (This situation proved unique, since instead of a first name, the artist uses initials. Initials with periods are traditionally set without spaces between them, such as in U.S.A. or J.R.R. Tolkien. So the initials get treated as a "single word" for our purposes, and following the rules, gets the first letter of each "word" capitalized.)

To avoid confusion, an info box was added to the artist page to explain the discrepancy, and the SongInfo markup for her songs has been replaced (or will be sooner or later) with a line that produces the same thing (This song appears on the album...) and allows the artist name to be put correctly in lowercase. A bit more work, but it looks good and keeps the rules intact.

I would think the best solution for your situation would be to go with the correct article (M-flo:Listen To Your Heart) and throw an info box at the top to alert users that the article has been changed to match LyricWiki specifications. Of course, it would be overkill to do that to every single song; I wouldn't do it just because it was printed on the liner that way. I'd only do that if you know, for example, that m-flo has some famous aversion to capitalizing the word "to" in any of their works.

(In contrast, k.d. lang is quite well-known for lowercasing her name, in tribute to poet e.e. cummings. Likewise, Prince is famous for the unorthodox spellings he uses on many of his works, such as "I Would Die 4 U". Balancing the rules with the intent of the artist can be tricky, but there's always a solution to be found.)

As far as m-flo, these k.d. lang ideas might work for you. I don't think anyone has any problem with the rules being bent a wee little bit, as long as it's done with good intentions and very uniformly.

Of course, I'd still ask for Technomunk's invaluable opinion here.  ;-)

— jF 01:37, 7 December 2007 (EST)

For now, the guidelines listed on LW:PN hold. I have been working on a modification to the software that would make the site case insensitive (so we can have lower-case first letters and such and still have scripts work correctly, which was the main motivation for that particular policy). However, it may be a while until I can have it working as I have run into a bug with caching and can't find the code that handles that, school work is swamping me and it still needs to be stress tested for the loads that the site gets (and get the okay from the big guy. Until thing, carry on as you were.

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌) 01:50, 7 December 2007 (EST)

I see. Thanks. I hadn't looked at the LW:PN, and I thought the rule of WYSIWYG applied. I'll be looking forward to that mod, teknomunk. :)

--BryghtShadow 04:06, 10 December 2007 (EST)

[edit] Mrs.Longingz, Hubert Longingz and The Dancers

I have found three related artist pages that I am pretty sure are joke pages, but I'd like to see what someone else would have to say about it. Check them out, and tell me what you think.
King_Nee1114lyrics 01:54, 6 December 2007 (EST)

I've come across this before also. Wee Wee also seems to be a fake artist. It seems like Hellbaser87 (talk • contribs), Mar234 (talk • contribs), and 67.171.192.17 (talk • contribs) are all the same user. These pages seem to be created as vanity pages and/or joke pages. Hellbaser87 is also a user on Wikipedia, who has had a problem with creating a page "Hubert Longingz" (see his user talk page). Also, all of Hellbaser's contributions have been deleted. The IP also has contributions on wikipedia, all of which are vandalism. Looking at google, and ignoring lyricwiki, wikipedia, and pedlr, the only pages I have found are copies of lyricwiki pages. Personally, I always want to have definite proof to warrant deletion, but these all seem to be fake. I'd first, at the very least, leave a note on each contributor's talk page (though I doubt they'll respond), then delete them if no proof can be found of their existence. Does anyone have any other suggestions? --WillMak050389 12:35, 6 December 2007 (EST)

What...you didn't know that Mrs. Longingz was once a member of The Dancers before she quit the group and "Joined Mötley Crüe."? Where have you been?!?!? Seriously, though, badly airbrushed album art and clues such as this lead me to believe that your thought process is correct. I found a similar page in Diego Grez and added a note on the creator's page and a deletion request to mark it and see if there was a response. Nothing yet, so I imagine it will be deleted next time I visit the Requests for Deletions list. You could do the same, I suppose.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   16:31, 6 December 2007 (EST)

I've looked over the contributions of each of the users to find if more vandalism exists. User:Shaun Mialer, user page created by Hellbaser, talk page is a SotD congrats, the SotD was actually nominated by Hellbaser, has no contribs. The Hypocrites looks similar to the other artist pages, according to google there are a variety of bands called "The Hypocrites", none of which whose songs match the ones on the lyricwiki page. Pigeon is just a page with a stub tag, wikipedia box (that links to the bird's wikipedia page, there is no "Pigeon (band)" wikipedia page), a link to a nonexistent album and nonexistent song. I also think we need to look over the Jay-z songs and Gwen Stefani:4 in the morning (remix) (s)he put up. Linkin Park:Minutes Sequel(2007) also seems to be fake. --WillMak050389 17:59, 6 December 2007 (EST)

[edit] "Non-Latin Character Sets" policy under "LyricWiki:Page_Names"

Hey! Thanks for the welcome message! I went in to look at the pages you referred me to, and I shall have to edit some of my contributions now..thanks! I have one issue with the policy for naming in Chinese though. Because in the Chinese music industry, it is common for artistes to have an English name, a Chinese name, and a surname (aka family name). How shall I do the romanized naming then?

Taking 周杰伦 as an example. His English name would be "Jay", his Chinese name would be "Jie Lun" and his surname would be either "Zhou" or "Chou". So do I put it as "Jay, Jie Lun, Chou" or simply as "Jay Chou Jie Lun". My rationale for the latter way of naming is that in Chinese, the surname is usually placed before the given name, whereas in English, the family name is placed behind. So combining the two, that would be the end result. Another way we can name Chinese names would be "Zhou Jie Lun, Jay". That's how many people in Singapore named their children.

The other issue then would be how the romanized version of the names should be decided. For example, 周杰伦's surname is pronounced as "Zhou" in pinyin. However, the name that appears most of the time in media is "Jay Chou". Which version of the surname shall I use in this case? I think this should be clarified in the policy, because the Chinese language when romanized can be quite complicated.

P.S. I will work on correcting whatever I've done soon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Silentcelle (talk • contribs) .

Well, as I said, I haven't had any experience with Chinese artists, so I was unaware of this. However, from what you wrote, I would say that the romanization to be used would be the one commonly used by the artist (I think that would be the "Jay Chou" version). However, it would be appropriate to have a note on the artist page giving the pinyin of the full Chinese name and to have redirects from the various versions to the main artist page. I know this is not perfect and will probably have to be modified to fit extreme cases, but I think this would work out.

For Japanese, the way that has settled in is to have the full name in Kanji, followed by the romanized name with given first and family second and have redirects from kanji, and both ways of ordering the name to the main page (though in practice, it is not always done, this is how it should be).

Well, I hope that answered you question. The wiki policy is still forming, and I hope that even when we have a fairly good idea of what the policy will be we will still be flexible.

Happy editing ^_^

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌) 15:16, 9 December 2007 (EST)

[edit] SOTD December 11, 2007

Hi teknomunk! I'm just here to tell you that your nomination of Kotoko:Wing My Way has won Song of the Day for December 11, 2007!
Thanks for nominating a song and for contributing to LyricWiki!
-ÜberBot 03:56, 11 December 2007 (EST)

[edit] XML Formatter extension question

Hey,
I tried to make a page to display the top 100 songs on iTunes, but after it displayed correctly once (during a page preview), I haven't been able to make the content show up again. This might just be something n00bish I'm doing with how I'm using the extension, but I figured you'd be the best person to figure out where I went wrong since you wrote the extension.
This isn't time-critical or anything, so if you have finals this week or whatever, don't feel pressured to jump on this right away.
Thanks,
-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 15:38, 11 December 2007 (EST)

I'll need the wiki syntax you used so that I can test it on my machine.

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌) 16:11, 11 December 2007 (EST)

Here's the wikitext... is this what you needed or am I misinterpreting what you said?

Thanks,

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 16:31, 11 December 2007 (EST)

No, that is what I needed. Thanks. Now to clean of my desk so I can work ^_^

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌) 16:32, 11 December 2007 (EST)

Sean, I emailed you the updated code. Hope that it works.

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌) 18:33, 11 December 2007 (EST)

The updates seemed to have worked very well overall, but I'm getting one weird result... on the community portal I get "ERROR! Path not found: /rss/channel/item[*]" for the official blog feed. I looked at the code and it isn't obvious to me why that would happen... does anything pop out at you as a possible cause?

Have a Merry Christmas,

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 10:49, 24 December 2007 (EST)

It's probably not parsing the feed correctly, that was the problem with the Top 100 feed. I still haven't been doing the parsing "properly", so I probably should fix that. This will probably involve rewriting the parser (again) and will take a bit of time (especially since I have been a bit lethargic after finals week ended). I'll let you know when I have something.

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌) 01:44, 25 December 2007 (EST)

[edit] Vandalbots!

Thanks for help on the smackdown. $%*^#@*!!!! vandalbots. Just when they seemed to disappear they go nuts at Christmas. Merry Christmas, btw!    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   01:33, 26 December 2007 (EST)

Thanks for the help as well, though there is no end in sight (for the reversions). I think we will need to keep an eye out for this once again. :/

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌) 01:35, 26 December 2007 (EST)

At least they're fairly easy to spot!    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   01:37, 26 December 2007 (EST)

Indeed they are, but I still look at the Recent Changes and filter out patrolled edits to do my reversions so that I don't have to mess with my own and other admin's reversions.

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌) 01:39, 26 December 2007 (EST)

I'm gonna go. I'll continue tomorrow. There are hundreds of changes still to be made. I'm a little disturbed that some of the changes are made while logged in as a user. I wish I knew who was doing this. The previous two days, whoever is behind this seemed to be testing the waters on John Mellencamp:Grandma's Theme and another page. I had worked previously on the Mellencamp page, so had it on my watch list, and it got slammed about a dozen times at least. Pretty coordinated stuff. Good luck, and I'll be back later...!    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   02:07, 26 December 2007 (EST)

Is there anything that we can do about all of this? I just got done rolling back 300+ vandalbot edits, and by the time I get to the bottom, some other IP has vandalized some of the pages at the top. Pretty nasty

King_Nee1114lyrics 03:39, 26 December 2007 (EST)

I notice Wikipedia implemented a text-challenge system a while back to prevent bot alterations to their wiki. (You know, one of those "type the text you see in the image" things.) As much as I hate those horrid things, think that might become a necessity? I can see us tripping all over ourselves before long, all trying to make the same reversions...

— jF 10:23, 26 December 2007 (EST)

While text-challenges are slightly annoying, they aren't that annoying especially when compared to reverting heaps of edits. Also such as system would (I assume) only effect unregistered people and possibly newly registered people which should mean proper long term editors shouldn't be bothered in the slightest by such a system.

Also is it just me or are a common target of vandalism highly used categories? Also since it appears that the categories in question do not actually ever require editing they could perhaps be permanently semi or full locked?

- The Light6 10:38, 26 December 2007 (EST)

Protection seems good, but when one knows which pages are commonly hit, putting those pages on your watch list gives one an early indication that a vandalbot has been around. That way the randomly-attacked pages by the same IP address are easier to detect and revert.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   14:27, 26 December 2007 (EST)

I've patrolled through the pages some more. I filter out the signed-in users and patrolled edits, and I'm into Dec 25th.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   16:24, 26 December 2007 (EST)

I've started patrolling a bit too. -Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 16:49, 26 December 2007 (EST)

Couldn't you guys just use a bot yourself to revert all changes done by IP xyz if it is still the latest change? Then it would be only a click and everything is reverted. --MetalSnake

As I mentioned to MetalSnake in the IRC channel, I have already started on a script to help. Guys, thanks for all your help with this. (Back to making reversions ... :/ )

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌) 17:31, 26 December 2007 (EST)

[edit] Thank you!

Thanks for archiving my talk page!! That was a huge relief to see a more managable page there today! -Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 11:08, 26 January 2008 (EST)

[edit] Excuse me

There are some troubles about my account: "Aqualover". Maybe I make a mistake with "Preferences ". Therefore, I can't edit any pages and cannot correct this mistake. Could you help me to solve these troubles? I really want to keep up to edit this page: http://lyricwiki.org/Kukui Thank you very much. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aqualover (talk • contribs) .

I'm sorry, but without more information, I won't be able to get the problem resolved, as I don't know what is wrong. It doesn't look you are blocked. Are you able to log into your account? Does it give you a spam filter notice when you try to edit the page? Please get back to me on this so that I can help you.

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌) 02:38, 28 January 2008 (EST)

Yes, I am able to log in my account.But after I log in....Please watch these two photos. images removed: they showed the left-side-bar being clickable but the main area of the screen is unclickable So, I don't know how to correct it... Or could you help me to reset my "Preferences "? Thank you very much.

Wow, that's strange. I'll let Sean know about this and see if he knows how to fix this.

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌) 13:31, 28 January 2008 (EST)

Hey guys,

That is a truly weird one! I've blanked out your user-preferences, which I would assume sets you back to the defaults (you might want to go to Special:Preferences and just change something small and save the changes just to make sure).

I hope that was the problem... please let me know either way.

Thanks,

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 13:58, 28 January 2008 (EST)

OH! Thank you very much! REALLY! The problem got resolved!!! But I would not like to change the preferences again, it's too terrible...BTW, may I delete these two photos? I found out the song list was too funny... 魔理沙は大変なものを盗んでいきましたとレッツゴー！陰陽師. It's too embarrassing.@@|||

Glad to hear it worked!  :) I removed the images since we don't need them anymore.

Teknomunk: thanks for forwarding this to me.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 14:58, 28 January 2008 (EST)

[edit] Song Template alteration

I've added a new comment at Template talk:Song#Altering template about changing {{Song}}. I'd appreciate it if a few of the "veterans" around here looked at my comment and replied before I changed our most used template here. --WillMak050389 14:38, 30 January 2008 (EST)

[edit] Esperanza Newsletter Updated for January

[edit] A Little Help Needed

Yesterday I was working on a new template {{Disam}}, and I've run into a little wall. So far the test roll-out has been working out, with one wrinkle. These pages are more or less intended to be floating out in space, as a placeholder, and I cannot figure out how to set these up so that they do not end up in their respective artist's Other Songs list. If they were all of the same category, could I get Janitor to ignore them?
King_Nee1114lyrics 14:36, 31 January 2008 (EST)

Done. Janitor should not mess with any page listed in that category.

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌) 15:44, 31 January 2008 (EST)

Ha Ha!

Wonderful, thanks.

King_Nee1114lyrics 16:59, 31 January 2008 (EST)

Not sure which user's page this should be posted on...  ;-)

I like that template, but not sure about the method of providing the disambiguation information. On Wikipedia, the disambiguation page is Page Name (disambiguation), which I think would be preferable.

Consider Heart's "Dreamboat Annie", which appears on that album in the following forms:

Dreamboat Annie

Dreamboat Annie (Fantasy Child)

Dreamboat Annie (Reprise)

If you use [[Heart:Dreamboat Annie]] as the disambiguation page, it will interfere with finding one of the versions. I think a better solution would be to create a disambiguation page in similar fashion to Wikipedia (in this case, [[Heart:Dreamboat Annie (disambiguation)]]).

Perhaps not the best example, since the three versions link to the same set of lyrics, but it illustrates the problem I'm foreseeing.

—  jF 22:51, 31 January 2008 (EST)

I don't think that any discussion has taken place on where to place the disambiguation pages at. The example I looked at, Pink Floyd:Another Brick In The Wall, it doesn't have a version titled the same as the song. I think that in addition to this one, we should probably have something in the header of pages that are linked to that states that a disambiguation page exists with a link to it. I think that if this were done, it doesn't really matter where the disambiguation page is kept except to keep things consistent and to prevent duplicates.

Any other thoughts?

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌) 23:29, 31 January 2008 (EST)

To jF, I hadn't really thought of the Heart:Dreamboat Annie example, but the original idea behind the disambiguation was really to serve as a stop from someone adding these ambiguous pages (I don't know how many times I deleted Pink Floyd:Shine On You Crazy Diamond). Having the Name (disambiguation) would wreck the original purpose. I think that fixing the Heart:Dreamboat Annie problem would be maybe something on the top of the Heart:Dreamboat Annie page: "Do You Mean..."

To Teknomunk, it's a good idea, I do what to find out a way that we can track the pages being disambiguated (is that a word?), without cluttering. Maybe a line "Not the song you were looking for? check the disambiguation page"? That is something that we could probably expand to all multi-part songs (eventually). And expand to the aforementioned "Do you mean..."

So far, this works for a small number of pages and for a very specific purpose. But to get it to work over a large number, will take some work . I do appreciate the feedback, and if you guys have a way we could show linking to a disam page, I am all ears.

King_Nee1114lyrics 00:34, 1 February 2008 (EST)

Since this I have worked on what I propose now: {{OtherPart/Test}}. It is pretty straightforward, but I need some help with wording and naming this template.

King_Nee1114lyrics 02:59, 1 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Good call on the instrumental2

Thanks for that. I didn't know those parser functions, and I was wayyyy over complicating things.
King_Nee1114lyrics 00:36, 2 February 2008 (EST)

No problem. If you need any more help you know where to reach me. (By the way, I also idle in the IRC channel <-this is a shameless plug for the channel as we could use more people there).

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌) 03:29, 2 February 2008 (EST)

I adjusted {{Instrumental2/Test}} to include categories and subcategories. Do you think that these changes are something we could add to {{Instrumental}}? That was my original plan, to kind of sub-categorize some of the instrumentals I've worked on. However, I don't think it is quite ready, being that there are only 2 subs. Can you think of any more we might be able to apply here?

While I am here, I wanted to also ask your thoughts of {{OtherPart/Test}} (which I think will soon be named WrongPage). I kind of ran with your idea there and made something to go on each page that has a disambiguation, which is demonstrated right here.

King_Nee1114lyrics 03:12, 3 February 2008 (EST)

{{Instrumental2/Test}} looks fine to me (you may want another opinion on the actual use of this, you may come up with other stuff it can do [gotta love feature creep])

For {{OtherPart/Test}}, I don't really like the - in there, so I removed it. This is more inline with several of the other templates that go right underneath the {{Song}}s, such as {{JaTitle}}.

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌,A) 03:43, 3 February 2008 (EST)

Right on. {{OtherPart/Test}} looks better. I think, sometime this week I'll open up WrongPage for business, but hold off on changing {{Instrumental}}. Oh, yeah, I also took your recommendation to Keifer and made a new sig. I don't think have gotten any real work done on LW lately, I've just been messing about with templates.

King_Nee1114 (talk page • contributions • deletions) 04:10, 3 February 2008 (EST)

I wouldn't suggest that this goes beyond administrators as this method of doing things is a bit unsecure unless the page is protected. Just a heads up.

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌,A) 12:26, 3 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] redirect question

It seems that http://www.lyricwiki.org/Bob_Dylan as well as all Bob Dylan links (such as those found on Dylan song pages) direct you to "Bob Bylan" by Bob Dylan and the Band instead of the artist page.. is this just me? CladInShadows 01:12, 3 February 2008 (EST)

Hmm... I can't seem to get it to do a redirect, much less find a "Bob Bylan" Sorry. Is there a particular link that is giving you trouble?

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌,A) 01:18, 3 February 2008 (EST)

I think I see the problem—someone attempted to add lyrics to "Don't Think Twice, It's All Right" to the artist page. Removed those, and now you should be able to build the artist page (or redirect to Bob Dylan & The Band, whichever is more appropriate—I'm not too knowledgeable about Dylan).

—  jF 19:48, 3 February 2008 (EST)

Thank you, I can now go about building an artist page. His work with The Band is fairly insignificant as far as volume goes, with the vast majority of his music being solo.

~ CladInShadows 16:19, 5 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] foxytunes

For a while now, a web extension called Foxytunes had a widget that used LyricWiki's site for lyrics (which is actually the way that I found my way here, a long time ago). In the last week, they have removed it, cutting us off from a lot of people. Assuming we do want our site on Foxytunes, I suggest that anyone who has Foxytunes to tell them that it's unfair. They seem to have replaced our page with Yahoo Lyrics, which hasn't worked for any songs that I tried to find (ironic), and I've seen Yahoo make some other great apps into crapheaps.
King_Nee1114 (talk page • contributions • deletions) 20:40, 6 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] RSS issue on main page

Hiya, Do you know what could be wrong on the Main page's iTunes box, LyricWiki:Top 100, etc. that would be causing them not to work? The last time we updated the code everything seemed to be working fine. The Community Portal has the same issue, so it's probably not a problem pulling the feed too often or anything like that.
I'll be around late tonight or tomorrow to look at it if you don't get a chance, but I was hoping it'd be something obvious that would jump out at you.
Thanks,
-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 15:30, 15 February 2008 (EST)

I can't seem to get it to fail on my machine. You may try emptying the cached feeds. Beyond that, unless I can reproduce the bug on my machine, I won't really have any way to debug it. Sorry.

What this error usually means is that there was a problem parsing the feed, so the nodes that are being looked for are not in the correct spot. In developing the current version I have added var_dump( $result ); to the end of the parser function and check the resulting tree, but that is best not done on a production server as there will be a lot of garbage output at the start of the page.

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌,A) 21:00, 15 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Translation template

Hi, thanks for your message. Just a few quick questions:

1. Using the Translation template, should you line up the Romaji and English, or Kanji and Romaji?
2. Are we aiming to get lyrics with Furigana? I haven't seen any around the site, but I don't mind trying.

Sorry if these are simple questions, I'm relatively new here and don't quite know my way around yet, but thanks for your help! PhoenixBlitzkrieg 15:48, 17 February 2008 (EST)

Well, when I use {{Translation}}, it is usually to line up the romanization and the english translations.

For the furigana, if you come across it, feel free to ad it, but you don't need to add readings for every kanji. Usually the standard I go by is if the lyrics pamphlet has a reading for it I added it here. But I also don't go removing what others have added in the way of furigana.

It's fine, I was new here once. You'll get the hang of things after a while.

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌,A) 17:30, 17 February 2008 (EST)

Thank you! If you notice me doing anything too bizarre, let me know! PhoenixBlitzkrieg 19:40, 17 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Welcome template

In your welcome template there seems to be a mistake: In the paragraph with the ruby code for Furigana, the <tt> and the </tt> are switched, which results in a total tt'ed page from that template on, which effects even the navigation bar at the top and the side bar to the right. I fixed it for my userpage, but you might want to fix your template to avoid future confusion. :) --Tsaryu ^@ 04:25, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Thanks for letting me know.

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌,A) 10:16, 18 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Unofficial Kanji template

Hi, teknomunk.
Will the template {{Unofficial Kanji}} be used at all? Though I suppose the Kanji lyrics are added from Romaji or booklet anyway, regardless of it being more or less accurate. Personally, I would add them if I'm not certain of its accuracy.
--BryghtShadow 20:41, 19 February 2008 (EST)

I haven't used it in a while. You can use it if you want, though. I find myself using {{RequestKanji}} more often that trying to guess what they are.

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌,A) 22:31, 19 February 2008 (EST)

Oh, okay.

This brings me to the template and its page. Does the template page itself need more updating, such as the description section (which currently says "None")?

--BryghtShadow 22:39, 19 February 2008 (EST)

If you want to, you are welcome to do so, but I don't know if it will be used. As I already mentioned, I haven't been trying to guess the kanji, I either go and find it, or I mark it so that someone else will update it.

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌,A) 22:57, 19 February 2008 (EST)

Okay, thanks. :)

--BryghtShadow 23:00, 19 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Thanks for the archive!

I feel like I can breathe a little better. The length of that darn page just stresses me out. At some point soon I want to go through and just decimate the todo list so the page can get even smaller. Actually, now is probably a good time for that *embarks!*
Thanks again,
-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 16:03, 23 February 2008 (EST)

And now, for my own talk page...

- teknomunk (talk,E,歌,A) 16:06, 23 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Batch move bug

Hi, quick question on the batch move bug... you mention that if "the target prefix has a space in it, that space will be used, when it should not be". I'm just a little confused on what you mean by the target prefix... do you mean that if you're moving to a page like "[[Tool: Parabola]]", the space before Parabola will be there, or something like moving from artist "Fake Name" to " Fake Name" or "Fake Name ". This is probably a super-quick fix, but I can see this meaning a couple of things, so if you can just leave me a quick example, I'll jump on fixing it.
Thanks,
-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 16:42, 23 February 2008 (EST)